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EFnet #spokane, April 30, 2001. Times are PDT.

[14:56] <Watts_> That's the best topic ever. :)
[14:59] <BeGodlike> you read it in less then a minute?
[14:59] <BeGodlike> you must be mr2's friend
[14:59] <Watts_> No, it was messaged to me a few hours ago.
[14:59] <BeGodlike> he has this amazing reading ability also
[15:00] <BeGodlike> well i've come in contact with a cpl people and i'm going to see if i can come up with some more shit
[15:00] <Watts_> The topic was set 7:52 AM, I would think that I have had ample time to read it since then. :)
[15:00] <BeGodlike> thats not on the web page
[15:00] <Watts_> What?
[15:00] <Watts_> I mean, that Mr2001 guy looked so silly in the conversation
[15:00] <BeGodlike> i've talked to the lady who wrote john's biography
[15:00] <BeGodlike> and some other guy, who appears to be john i'm not sure
[15:01] <BeGodlike> tryin to come up with some video clips mainly
[15:01] <Watts_> Did you tape that thing on TLC?
[15:01] <BeGodlike> no
[15:02] <Watts_> You mentioned it a few times, I figured you watched it
[15:02] <BeGodlike> i tried for a while to find it somewhere
[15:02] <BeGodlike> but maybe i didn't look hard enough
[15:02] <Watts_> I checked with the TLC archive, but they claim that episode never aired.
[15:02] <Watts_> But, it was referenced in the article, so it has to be real.
[15:02] <BeGodlike> as if me seeing anything is going to convince mr2
[15:02] <BeGodlike> he'd still think i'm full of shit
[15:02] <Watts_> Of course not, he'd have to see it.
[15:02] <Watts_> Just send it to him.
[15:03] <BeGodlike> well thats what i'm tryin to come up with
[15:03] <Watts_> Where did you originally hear about this? I stumbled across something similar a while back
[15:03] <BeGodlike> did you find like a list of shows for that day? and that one wasn't on the list?
[15:03] <BeGodlike> cuz i couldn't find a listing of shows back then either
[15:03] <BeGodlike> i think origiginally i found it first from about.com
[15:04] <BeGodlike> err
[15:04] <BeGodlike> hehe
[15:04] <BeGodlike> i just woke up
[15:04] <BeGodlike> From heffect@infinet.net Sun Apr 29 23:03:50 2001
[15:04] <BeGodlike> hi got all the real stuff right here a cubic yard of documents 750 pound of metal samples 200 hours of vidios with wittneses cheers john
[15:04] <Watts_> I checked with a local learning resource... Heartland Multimedia, they supply educational shows to local schools
[15:04] <Watts_> They couldn't find any record of that episode.
[15:04] <BeGodlike> hmm
[15:05] <BeGodlike> doens't help that most of this is in canada also
[15:05] <Watts_> You should check out Orgone Accumulators
[15:05] <Watts_> I have a friend who swears by his
[15:05] <BeGodlike> hmm
[15:06] <Watts_> They were researched by Burroughs in the early part of the century.
[15:06] <Watts_> It really bothers me that the supposed Hutchison's web page is on geocities.
[15:07] <BeGodlike> well
[15:07] <BeGodlike> theres a few
[15:07] <BeGodlike> you saw this one right
[15:07] <BeGodlike> http://www.e-webpagedesignsolutions.com/default.htm
[15:07] <Watts_> Where'd he get his doctorate degree from?
[15:08] <Watts_> I'm not sure if that would be a PhD in physics or what.
[15:08] <Watts_> I like how they misspelled controversy
[15:08] <BeGodlike> yeh
[15:09] <BeGodlike> i told them they need to put a better page together
[15:09] <Watts_> Where did you originally hear about this?
[15:10] <BeGodlike> from about.com
[15:10] <BeGodlike> history of scientists or wutever
[15:10] <BeGodlike> somewhere in there
[15:10] <Watts_> You know anyone can submit stuff to about.com, right?
[15:10] <BeGodlike> well they didn't do the best job of documenting it thats why i'm not posting about.com links
[15:11] <Watts_> So you're tossing out contrary evidence? That's not very scientific.
[15:11] <BeGodlike> http://paranormal.about.com/science/paranormal/library/weekly/aa032700a.htm?rnk=r3&terms=john+hutchison
[15:12] <BeGodlike> about.com doesn't have any pictures at all
[15:12] <Watts_> SEE!
[15:12] <BeGodlike> i can find a the bio somewhere else thats not the problem
[15:12] <Watts_> that has the Orgone accumulator on the same page!
[15:13] <BeGodlike> mr2 is stuck on the fact that since half or more of people who are involved in UFO's believe in hutchison that it must be fake
[15:13] <BeGodlike> simply because its on the same web page
[15:13] <Watts_> Well, are there any reputable sites that mention it?
[15:13] <BeGodlike> well, hell what the fuck is reputable on the internet
[15:14] <Watts_> Any extension of a real-world publication, or educational websites
[15:14] <Watts_> Most thesis papers for PhD students are published online....
[15:14] <BeGodlike> we'll see, i'm waitin on a cpl e-mails from these guys
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[15:14] <Watts_> You'd think of the thousands of physics students, one would do a report on this
[15:14] <BeGodlike> remember this guy is a canook makes it a bit harder
[15:14] <Watts_> Not really
[15:15] <Watts_> Their universities are the same as ours, pretty much
[15:15] <BeGodlike> i think they probly have just no one has done it professionally
[15:15] <Watts_> My philosophy instructor is canadian
[15:15] <Watts_> What do you mean professionally?
[15:15] <Mr2001> what's all this about, then?
[15:15] <Watts_> If a grad student does a thesis paper that sites evidence, that's professional.
[15:16] <Watts_> If a scientific journal mentions something and doesn't later retract or contradict it, it's professional.
[15:16] <BeGodlike> true
[15:16] <BeGodlike> i mean in a way of presenting it over the internet
[15:16] <BeGodlike> obviously that hasn't been professionally done yet
[15:16] <BeGodlike> otherwise i think i would have found it by now
[15:16] <Watts_> Does he have a theory how or why the Hutchison effect works? If not, it's not even a matter of scientific opinion, because nothing is being tested
[15:17] <Watts_> It's just like stating something but not having a theory.
[15:17] <BeGodlike> according to these guys in my e-mail theres around 200 hours of video, i'd like to get my hands on it
[15:17] <Watts_> I could say that I have 200 hours of video of the earth exploding, as filmed from space.
[15:18] <BeGodlike> i did see one sight that sold hte video
[15:18] <BeGodlike> but i'm not gonna pay for it
[15:18] <Mr2001> you'd think it would be available for free, in the interest of science.
[15:18] <Watts_> If it was a matter of scientific evidence, it would be in university libraries too.
[15:18] <Mr2001> have you found a specific description of the device?
[15:18] <BeGodlike> its classified the way it is because people refuse to believe it, and thats where people have been shoving it for years
[15:18] <Mr2001> i.e., instructions that tell you exactly how to build what he built, so you can test it yourself?
[15:18] <BeGodlike> this is a pretty clear case of neglect to me
[15:19] <Watts_> BeGodlike: Who has been shoving it away for years?
[15:19] <Watts_> You've never mentioned that.
[15:19] <BeGodlike> people in general
[15:19] <Watts_> Who?
[15:19] <BeGodlike> mr2
[15:19] <BeGodlike> people like mr2
[15:19] <Watts_> I could say people in general are tall.
[15:19] <BeGodlike> who read a few lines, claim its bullshit
[15:19] <BeGodlike> then close the book
[15:20] <BeGodlike> i mean is ignorance something new
[15:20] <Mr2001> BeGodlike: actually, I read the entirety of every link you gave me.
[15:20] <Mr2001> and *then* decided it was bullshit.
[15:20] <Watts_> Mr2001: hey, that's a bit hasty.
[15:20] <BeGodlike> [04:40] <BeGodlike> no, you are convinced that it doesn't work right off the bat
[15:20] <BeGodlike> [04:40] <BeGodlike> thats the first sign of total ignorance
[15:20] <BeGodlike> [04:40] <BeGodlike> before you even read *1* link of mine
[15:20] <BeGodlike> [04:40] <BeGodlike> you were like OH THATS BULLSHIT
[15:20] <BeGodlike> [04:40] <BeGodlike> I DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT IT
[15:21] <BeGodlike> [04:40] <BeGodlike> BUT THATS BULLSHIT
[15:21] <Mr2001> look, if it's been around for 20 years, *someone* credible would have checked it out. this is nobel prize material, or at least million-bucks material.
[15:21] <BeGodlike> [04:41] <BeGodlike> your on ignore
[15:21] <Watts_> I mean, reserve judgement until he gets the videos
[15:21] <BeGodlike> within a minute or less then 2, you had already made a decision mr2
[15:21] <BeGodlike> thats in your OWN Log
[15:21] <BeGodlike> i suggest you READ It
[15:21] <BeGodlike> NOW your going back on ignore
[15:21] <Mr2001> BeGodlike: you just quoted yourself.
[15:21] <Watts_> BeGodlike: uh, he stated that he did read the links.
[15:22] <BeGodlike> no
[15:22] <Mr2001> haha
[15:22] <Watts_> So how does you pasting where you said he didn't prove that he didn't?
[15:22] <BeGodlike> look at hte first 8 lines of hte log
[15:22] <BeGodlike> he couldn't have read anything within 2 minutes
[15:22] <BeGodlike> [03:55] <BeGodlike> http://paranormal.about.com/science/paranormal/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FResearchTriangle%2FThinktank%2F8863%2FHEffect1.html
[15:22] <BeGodlike> [03:57] <BeGodlike> http://paranormal.about.com/science/paranormal/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FResearchTriangle%2FThinktank%2F8863%2Fmain.html
[15:22] <BeGodlike> [03:57] <BeGodlike> crazy shit
[15:22] <BeGodlike> [03:59] <Mr2001> s/crazy/bull
[15:22] <BeGodlike> [04:01] <BeGodlike> ?
[15:22] <BeGodlike> see that
[15:22] <BeGodlike> he didn't read shit before he made up his mind
[15:22] <BeGodlike> isn't that pretty fuggin clear?
[15:23] <Mr2001> yes, I called it bullshit simply because of the url. I disbelieve everything that has a url.
[15:23] <BeGodlike> its quite clear to me
[15:23] <Watts_> He obviously knew the jist of it because he linked to what he felt was counterevidence within seven minutes
[15:23] <BeGodlike> he searched somewhere and found something on a MESSAGE board
[15:23] <BeGodlike> thats total crap
[15:23] <BeGodlike> again
[15:24] <Watts_> How is a message board less reputable than the webpages you linked to?
[15:24] <BeGodlike> you can't deny
[15:24] <BeGodlike> that he made up his mind w/out even reading shit
[15:24] <Watts_> What does he not realize?
[15:24] <BeGodlike> because hte message board is a message board it wasn't dedicated to the project at all
[15:24] <Watts_> Doesn't that make it a bit more objective?
[15:25] <Watts_> I mean, if I was a Buddhist and made a page about Buddhism, isn't that a bit less objective?
[15:25] <BeGodlike> this is going nowhere for fucksake
[15:25] <BeGodlike> mr2 should have shaved the log down to the first 8-10 lines it proves my entire point with him
[15:25] <BeGodlike> and thats what that comes down to
[15:26] <Watts_> What does it prove?
[15:26] <BeGodlike> if i have to repeat this one more time
[15:26] <BeGodlike> again
[15:26] <BeGodlike> he didn't read shit before he made up his mind
[15:26] Topic changed on #Spokane by Mr2001!mr2001@sdn-ar-002waspokP141.dialsprint.net: you seriously think I didn't read either of those links, just called it bs after
[15:26] Topic changed on #Spokane by Mr2001!mr2001@sdn-ar-002waspokP141.dialsprint.net: ...after seeing the url?
[15:27] <BeGodlike> [03:55] <BeGodlike> http://paranormal.about.com/science/paranormal/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FResearchTriangle%2FThinktank%2F8863%2FHEffect1.html
[15:27] <BeGodlike> [03:57] <BeGodlike> http://paranormal.about.com/science/paranormal/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FResearchTriangle%2FThinktank%2F8863%2Fmain.html
[15:27] <BeGodlike> [03:57] <BeGodlike> crazy shit
[15:27] <BeGodlike> [03:59] <Mr2001> s/crazy/bull
[15:27] <BeGodlike> look at the times
[15:27] <Watts_> So the issue is not whether or not the Hutchison effect is real, it is whether Mr2001 is literate?
[15:27] <BeGodlike> less then 4 minutes he made up his mind entirely
[15:27] Topic changed on #Spokane by Mr2001!mr2001@sdn-ar-002waspokP141.dialsprint.net: it doesn't take me more than two minutes to read a web page. I passed second gra
[15:27] <Watts_> I agree, Mr2001 is illiterate. You win.
[15:27] <BeGodlike> actually
[15:27] <Watts_> You don't know what the issue is, I guess.
[15:27] <BeGodlike> the web page i posted, thats in that link, would more then likely take more then 2 minutes
[15:27] <BeGodlike> its like 5 paragraphs
[15:28] <BeGodlike> not only that
[15:28] <BeGodlike> but i posted 2 diff links
[15:28] <BeGodlike> that would indefinately take more then 3min to read
[15:28] <Watts_> I'll put it this way: isn't it a little fishy that the only websites that describe this are personal ones, the only evidence you have to PAY for, and that no one outside of maybe five people have *seen* the conclusive evidence?
[15:28] Topic changed on #Spokane by Mr2001!mr2001@sdn-ar-002waspokP141.dialsprint.net: http://www.hansprestige.com/hutchison.log.html
[15:29] <Watts_> I mean, I could say that I can change dirt into gold and have all my friends put websites up, and then offer to sell you a tape where I do it....
[15:29] <BeGodlike> i think theres just a lack of it being presented correctly
[15:29] <Watts_> And then proceed to make these claims for twenty years, as this man supposedly has done
[15:29] <BeGodlike> and that only comes down to how you think it should have been presented, and what you think is correct
[15:29] <Watts_> If he was a Dr of any science, he would know how to present it.
[15:29] <Watts_> I think that there is no evidence shown, and he states no theory for why it happens.
[15:30] <Watts_> And I think you need to look up the definition of paranormal.
[15:30] <Watts_> Later. :)
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[15:31] <BeGodlike> mr2 your not going to convince *anyone* that you read both those links in under 3min
[15:31] <BeGodlike> the first link was like 6 paragraphs
[15:31] <BeGodlike> the 2nd has an assload of shit to read
[15:31] <Mr2001> I read fast.
[15:32] <Mr2001> once again, yes or no: you seriously believe that I didn't read those links before I called it bullshit, and you think I'm lying about having read them?
[15:32] <BeGodlike> your still on ignore btw so dont bother responding
[15:32] <Mr2001> haha
[15:32] <Mr2001> mature.
[15:33] BeGodlike kicked from #Spokane by Mr2001: you think I'm lying about having read them?
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[15:34] <BeGodlike> no i think your lying about reading 6 paragraphs and an entirely diff web page in under 3 min
[15:34] <BeGodlike> in fact, i dont even have to prove that, you do that quite well in your own log
[15:34] <BeGodlike> why do you think watts thinks your an idiot
[15:34] <BeGodlike> he came in here laughing at you
[15:34] BeGodlike kicked from #Spokane by Mr2001: when did I say I didn't read them?
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[15:37] <BeGodlike> EFnet #spokane, April 27, 2001. Times are PDT.
[15:37] <BeGodlike> [03:55] <BeGodlike> http://paranormal.about.com/science/paranormal/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FResearchTriangle%2FThinktank%2F8863%2FHEffect1.html
[15:37] <BeGodlike> [03:57] <BeGodlike> http://paranormal.about.com/science/paranormal/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.geocities.com%2FResearchTriangle%2FThinktank%2F8863%2Fmain.html
[15:37] <BeGodlike> [03:57] <BeGodlike> crazy shit
[15:37] <BeGodlike> [03:59] <Mr2001> s/crazy/bull
[15:37] <BeGodlike> [04:01] <BeGodlike> ?
[15:37] <BeGodlike> how more clear does this get?